Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville stood by his story that he informed then-President Trump that then-Vice President Mike Pence was being escorted out of the Capitol as rioters stormed the building on Jan. 6 after one of Trump’s impeachment lawyers Friday characterized the phone call as “hearsay.”
The phone conversation between Tuberville and Trump has become a key part of the timeline of the former president’s behavior during the riot as senators continued to hold the Trump’s impeachment trial on Friday.
House managers claimed the Tuberville-Trump phone call began around 2 p.m. Jan. 6 and that Trump tweeted 24 minutes later that Pence did not have “the courage” to delay certification of the 2020 election. Pence was evacuated around 2:15 p.m., and Tuberville said he relayed that development to the president.
The House managers, serving as the prosecutors in Trump’s Senate trial, said the former president’s phone call with Tuberville and subsequent tweet showed that he did not try to stop the violent mob despite knowing how dire the situation was for his vice president.
But Michael van der Veen, one of Trump’s attorneys, dismissed the phone call, which Tuberville confirmed to Politico late Wednesday, as “hearsay” despite one of the participants of the call vouching that it had occurred.
“I dispute the premise of your facts, I dispute the facts that are laid out in that question, and unfortunately we’re not going to know the answer to those facts in these proceedings because the House did nothing to investigate what went on” on Jan. 6, van der Veen said in response to a question from Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., about whether Trump was “tolerant of the intimidation” against Pence. “We’re trying to get hearsay from Mr. Tuberville.”
Tuberville told Manu Raju of CNN that he stood by his version of events, although he said he was not sure exactly when the phone call took place.
Meanwhile, Rep. Jamie Gaskin, D-Md., one of the house managers, said van der Veen should have had Trump testify at the trial instead of blaming Democrats for not having all the facts.
“Rather than yelling at us and screaming about how we didn’t have time to get all of the facts about what your client did,” Raskin said, “bring your client up here and testify under oath about why he was sending out tweets denouncing the vice president of the United States while the vice president was being hunted down by a mob that wanted to hang him and was chanting in this building, ‘hang mike pence! hang mike pence! traitor! traitor! traitor!”
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